@theorder14: well you did it, you corrected me on something i knew almost everything about, but i am a man and i will own up to it. Ver más ideas sobre dragones, dragon ball, majin boo. 6.9K likes. You claim to believe "Super Buu > Kid Buu", yet you made this topic, I guess you agree Kid Buu > Base Super Buu. I actually think Cell was more evil. Ssj3 goku is around ssj1 gotenks power. @russellmania77: Mystic Gohan is the most Powerful unfused Character in DBZ. Of course, I'm not saying the Buuhan feat isn't impressive or anything, it's the best feat in Z. Feats aren't absolutely everything when it comes to gauging if a character scales above another though. Nevermind Uub with GLOL’s power brought goku to MUI susano level. Zenkai's weren't even considered special anymore after Namek Saga. Which wouldn't contradict statements, as Base Super Buu is a more natural form then Buutenks and Buuhan are. It's because the anime says he is (and it was a translation error, it was supposed to just say he was the most dangerous form, which is very different). Buuhan is the strongest Majin Buu incarnation. And then you have Buutenks who is above Super Buu by A LOT and Buuhan who is above Buutenks by A LOT. ...What? Jiren. Goku should've gotten at least one or two zenkais since before anyways (post fusion is at least one). Because he's much more dangerous of course. Goku doesn't have to surpass any form of Buu because like the Daizenshuu affirms he couldn't beat Kid Buu, even at full power. Goku admitted that Gohan could destroy super Buu while Goku himself toghether with Vegeta would stand no chance. He has no sophistication. About Goku saying he could've won, is this the scene right after Goku begins the fight and starts talking to Vegeta while he flies off to the background to watch, because that was specifically referring to Fat Buu, who's stated to be weaker than Kid Buu. The evil mage Bibidi knew how to summon and control him and eventually used him to slaughter most of the Supreme Kais. @gelato_exotic: Greater than I imagined =/= greater than me. incorrect. there is also this Toriyama's interview Gelato once showed me, where he implies Kid Buu is the most powerful. Its consistnet with many official guidebooks, Gokus, Old Kais and Toriyama's own statements as well, Yea super confirmed that just recently, Which is why i bumped the thread, It's in the newest chapter, They confirmed kid buu had god ki. @ssjlozza: Thank you. You're the one who made the claim first that because Buuhan was able to do so he's somehow automatically superior to Kid Buu when a lot of credible statements say otherwise, I never made any claim about whether he can or can't besides the fact that you can't prove that Kid Buu can't either and it's unusable for trying to say Buuhan>> automatically. Why would he hold back his ki when the stakes were this high? I doubt if Gotenks and Gohan would've sufficed Vegeta of all people would've gone to such lengths, and even Goku was suggesting both. Great lord of lords fought prime Moro, Moro when he just broke out of prison absorbed the power of SSB Goku and Vegeta and said it almost brought him to his prime. that it had the force of the whole universe. Frieza was interested in power, as in a ruler. Share the best GIFs now >>> SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu were literally fighting equally and Goku even said he could've won if he stayed at full power. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Vegeta stated before that Goku in SSJ3 at full power could’ve OBLITERATED Kid Buu. well, he sure strained himself in that fight. There is Zero Evidence that Kid Buu's ki fell after Goku and Vegeta noted that it was rising. Goku even suggested having both Gotenks AND Gohan go up against Kid Buu after they revived IIRC, but Vegeta was like nah let's use the Spirit Bomb and even decided to be spokesman. Being stated several times to be the strongest Buu. they could both beat fat buu. HugoHikari 8 months ago #6. is it just a law that we have to have at least one kid buu topic every month. Kid Buu might actually be tougher, Super Buu got broken apart more than once. @reaverlation: Why Kid Buu would stand a chance against Super Buu? and statements prove him to be SSB tier at least. I can't recall anything special from him. And how do we know Gohan gave up of all his ki? @takenstew22: What's contradictory or inconsistent about FP Goku being unable to beat Kid Buu? Buu fights on par with him, thrashes him, and Goku has to resort charging up everything he can for an entire minute and that fails too so we'll never know whether or not he would've worked. Kinda sounds like headcanon. Super Buu should take both rounds rather easily. SS3 Goku was definitely fighting on par with him. goku was stalling with fat buu so trunks could go to the look out. easily, round two: idk GT was none canon and the power scale was so fudged up. It wasn't until Zamasu arc that they became slightly relevant again. So, this means that Super buu is Kid Buu with power SSK, and GSK, without the power restraining. Idk why the hell people always flock to guidebook statements when they can contain some of the most inconsistent and contradictory crap ever. Buuhan has his Dimension Collapsing Feat as well. Daikao's pure heart corrupted Super Buu, therefore turning him into the likeness of his fat and good-hearted self. @takenstew22: Why not? He doesn't have the feats to corroborate that, and it's partly why GT is pretty bad. And you saying zenkai's will make his stronger than SSJ Vegito and Buuhan? Lol at Zenkais not being special since Namek when in the same scene, earlier Goku is just marginally on par with Kid Buu while after Dende heals him he overpowers Kid Buu as SS1. But what else would Goku saying the Spirit Bomb with Gohan plus all the Z fighters energy prove? That power is nothin compared to buutenks, who has buu, south Kai and gotenks power. Buuhan, sure, and if you wanna go there, there's even a V Jump statement that SS3 Goku is on par with Buuhan, although I'm fine with that being dismissed since V Jump isn't the most reliable and it's ambiguous as to which point SS3 it was referrring to, and unless it was Kid Buu fight Goku it's wrong. I think in the end he would win too but I think Kid buu could put up a fight, personally without candy beam or absorption I don't see how either could permanently put each other down, we know kid buu can survive being on a planet when it explodes from his own attack, and I have never seen base super buu dish out that kind of attack, although IMO he should be able to do it ive never had a reason to believe that base super buu can generate an energy attack as powerful as the one that ended up destroying kid buu in the end. I' not going to quote all of that to avoid my response being clunky, Goku surpassing Base Super Buu is already a huge leap to begin with. Granted he's taken on more people but still. He's at most = to Un-drained Goku and Ultimate Gohan. By feats, I don't think Kid Buu being stronger then Buuhan is possible at all, Even if you say Goku got a Zenkai, it wouldn't be enough, The Gap between Buuhan to Buutenks to Base Super Buu is too great, At most, Kid Buu & EOS Goku could above Base Super Buu, Which wouldn't contradict statements, as Base Super Buu is a more natural form then Buutenks and Buuhan are, Buuhan>>>>Buutenks>>>>>>Kid Buu>>SuperBuu>>Evil Buu>>>>FatBuu. Although I could see him going over super buu possibly. Zenkais are completely unquantifiable in how much stronger they make a Saiyan, only point of me mentioning it is the fact that he should've become stronger. 22-jun-2018 - Explora el tablero de Tony "super buu" en Pinterest. Aka a pretty compelling and reliable person to hear this from. If the question is who is stronger it is definitely Kid Buu he took a spirit bomb from everyone on earth and statements prove him to be SSB tier at least and MUI level since his ki charged Goku to use MUI susano. Kid buu is base buu, super buu is kid buu with south Kai absorbed. Your Spirit Bomb logic doesn't prove anything, Therefore, Gohan couldn't have given him all of his energy, And if we high ball Kid Buu = Gohan, obviously it wouldn't be enough, And no, Kid Buu did not have a better performance, Buutenks stomping Ultimate Gohan is better then anything Kid Buu has done, At most, he could be stronger then base Super Buu, But it's illogical to assume he is stronger then Buutenks and Buuhan by actual feats. These two finally decide to settle the war.. the war between which Buu is the strongest. There is Zero evidence that Super Buu's ki ever rose above Fat Buu level. Kid would technically be Majin Buu just really pissed off and having a fit body type. While I think Kid buu could win due to him being so vicious and relentlessness I believe super buu is stronger. Only canon feat Buuhan has on Kid Buu is the Universe collapse over time and nothing more, He scales massively above Buutenks who could stomp Ultimate Gohan, That's a feat of someone below Buuhan > any of Kid Buu's feats. Buu still has several credible statements from characters who were hands on with the entire Buu experience, this example is literally no different from saying something like Piccolo>>a GoD because he has feats while they have statements. If Kid Buu was so inferior either should've been able to one shot solo. Buuhan's feat was in a completely enraged full power state, and nothing suggests Kid Buu couldn't do it aswell. Videos Editar Al haber dudas se han hecho videos fan para describir la batalla. lo mismo paso con kid buu vs … Muchos creen que Kid buu es el ganador ya que es el original y por un argumento del anime (no aparecio en el manga por eso no tiene validez) que era mas fuerte que antes (se refiere a Super buu). Buutenks was a already above Ultimate Gohan in power. Inb4 more arguments from incredulity and denial. I would think him at full power is equal to super buu. Unlike his present counterpart who is weaker than Super Buu, Future Kid Buu is even stronger than Super Buu (w/ Gohan absorbed) and Super Janemba. If you're so skeptical about Guidebook statements, there's several statements in the anime too just outright saying Kid Buu>all other Buus. And Buu thrashed him throughout their fight just as often too. User Info: HugoHikari. Zenkai's weren't even considered special anymore after Namek Saga. @bronze_surfer: yes but with his power unlocked(his and from kai) i don't think he was at full power he is ''suppressed'' by the kai. But just something else that's possibly alluding to such. And the fact that the genki of a fully healthy Gohan along with other Z fighters wasn't enough to beat Kid Buu is still in the air. When did they say he had god ki? And you're saying his zenkai will make him stronger than SSJ Vegito and Buuhan? Super buu is the most powerful buu. Second, Kid Buu has far more God Ki than Zamasu has, who is only a Kai. Goldchamp101 8 months ago #5. Nothing stating it was god ki. Kid buu...is a vicious fighter. In conclusion Super Buu is stronger than kid buu. @dratini1331: Well the word "hard" appeared due to phone auto-corrector.Majuub should still stomp Buuhan as Majuub was able to fight Super Baby Vegeta easily and Baby Vegeta is >= to Buuhan as Goku said that was the strongest Ki he ever felt, I recall Majubb being the strongest incarnation of Buu so he takes Round 2. Goku was gonna need an entire whole minute of charging his ki to the max just to maybe be able to kill him lol. there is no proof of mystic gohan being anywhere above ssj3 goku. Buutenks could stomp Ultimate Gohan and Kid Buu was superior to a Spirit Bomb containing Ultimate Gohan+Z fighters and some humans energy. DBZ is so confusing with power levels. @bronze_surfer: hmm yes, Gohan and Gotenks are stronger than a kai. I did some looking and apparently Super Buu is said to be the strongest. If anything, Buuhan>Kid Buu contradicts statements since there's multiple saying Kid Buu>any Buu. Characters like Super Buu and Ultimate Gohan are far beyond Kid Buu. Also you have no proof ssj3 goku got a "shadow buff" making him stronger than mystic gohan lmao. Kid Buu was the most dangerous. Goku fighting on par with Kid Buu is direct proof he isn't the strongest. Good Buu eventually gets locked away by Bibidi before being r… Idk though. Still, Kid Buu has several advantages. mientras que kid buu se tubo que recurrir una super genkidama. @gelato_exotic: Right, but i am not talking about the name, it says above(Daizenshuu i presume?) With the feats>>>statements argument in this scenario where you use Buuhan's feat, might as well say Piccolo with his moon bust>>the GoDs since Roshi has better feats. Beerus was able to knock Buu out, and, as said before in the topic, if enraged SSJ2 Vegeta (who was a bit above SSJ3 Goku, as is Kid Buu) was able to pressure a Beerus using the same amount of strength that he did against Buu (as he didn't raise it until a bit into Enraged Vegeta vs Beerus' fight), and that Beerus was able to knock out Buu, Hit should be able to just knock Kid Buu out. And yes, they weren't as special after Namek, because there were no confirmed instances where they are specifically shown to just magically be above Vegito or Buuhan just because they were fighting on par with someone slightly stronger than Fat Buu lol. Goku even stated that to Vegeta. Pequeño Buu (魔人ブウ (純粋) Majin Bū (Junsui), también conocido como Buu original, es la forma original y pura de Majin Buu, y la última forma de Buu que aparece en Dragon Ball Z. And Kid Buu was decimating quick galaxies in the past too quick af too, and was also an impending Universal threat in a short amount of time. Why do people keep arguing that Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu, when there are scans proving that isn't the case? Vegeta was still unconfident in the combined efforts of Gohan and Gotenks like Goku suggested (the fact that he wanted both to fight should tell you something) and resorted to the Spirit Bomb which even Goku and King Kai remarked at how out of character it was for him (suggesting the Spirit Bomb). Where it did ever state or imply the SB was pushing Buu back? @darthaznable: Yeah Buu saga broke that tradition of DBZ lol.But yes Super Buu stomps Kid Buu hard :). How do you justify SS3 Goku fighting on par with Kid Buu? One of the statements is from Shin himself, who experienced and was around for every form of Buu from the start too, wasn't he? super janemba es mas fuerte. Especially after he returned after blowing himself up. Super Perfect Cell was the only exception and he didn't just become SSJ3 tier or something. What feats does he have to suggest he's capable of fighting buuhan? Kid Buu is the most evil form of Buu, literally pure unadulterated evil, but obviously more evil doesn't necessarily mean more powerful- personally I'd say Frieza was more evil than Cell but he wasn't anywhere near as strong. TFW you realize Super Buu was getting cucked by Ultimate Gohan, and later, same Gohan after being freshly resurrected at full health and likely after at least one zenkai, provides his genki for the Spirit Bomb along with some others and Goku still says it won't be enough to take out Kid Buu. The weakest of all of Majin Buu's transformations. @eredin12: It's just a naming fallacy, not enough proof to say it's Universal. This topic is locked from further discussion. He thought that he would lose against Super Buu. Even Goku himself straight up says Kid Buu is the strongest. At most, Kid Buu & EOS Goku could above Base Super Buu Which wouldn't contradict statements, as Base Super Buu is a more natural form then Buutenks and Buuhan are 27 days ago Super Buu. Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu. A diferencia de sus formas anteriores, Pequeño Buu tiene una mente plagada de pensamientos irracionales y espontáneos. Round 2 is uub, who is a reincarnation of kid buu and thus has the same power plus mr. Goku fought every Buu including Buutenks and Buuhan too, in case y'all forgot. @neongamewave: I see where your comeing from but I still think normal super buu would beat kid buu. Buuhan has an overtime Universal feat which is multi-galaxy to galaxy level and nothing more, something Kid buu has an entire narrative based on him around and depending on how you evaluate the size, was going to one shot Grand Kai's world. Cell was only interested in destroying things. Kid Buu has the power of the great lord of lords who fought Prime Moro who is SSB tier. 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