User Info: SwadeDBFan2. When he is attacked by Liqueur's Tail Energy Cannon Barrage, Belmod takes no damage from the assault. Beerus via superior inferior feats and even better worst scaling. Utter. @karkus: I asked you to provide proof first.If you can provide evidence to say that Broly is on Beerus' level then I will find it secondly... Marketing and announcement hypes don't count... @chasekilleen: I never claimed Broly was on Beerus's level. God Ki is needed in this fight, and even if SSJ4 Gogeta can damage hum with punches and kicks, it still most likely will be weaker than Beerus. It is the time limit and whether they manage to stay fused that is the kicker in that fight. @chasekilleen: Vegito in the Black Arc was said to rival Beerus by Shin in the manga, I feel like Post ToP he surpassed him given the fact it was said Gogeta=Vegito in one of the guid book I saw once for the movie, there is also the fact Jiren is confirmed by the angels to be high GoD Tier And stronger than Belmod who I believe is in the Top 5 strongest GoDs with Beerus and quitela at the Top with Jiren in their level more or less(Beerus can’t be that much stronger than Belmod) And Broly is evry bit as strong as Jiren or maybe more in raw power given Freiza’s statement and Goku’s as well, he also outmatched SSj Gogeta who is already in the GoDs range of power given the fact his base form is stronger than Blue Goku/Vegeta by the lock on piccolo when they fuse, Now Broly does lack the skills and experience Beerus has but Gogeta power is so great he can overcome it with nearly equal skills anyway given the fact he has Goku and Vegeta but I still favor Beerus due to UI, Hakai can be a factor but I think Gogeta will overpower it like Vegeta did to Toppo, UI is also a factor but unless he has its mastered form Beerus won’t beat him tho I feel like he has something under his sleeve given how unthreatened he was from Broly/Jiren when he encounters them tho MUI Goku did made him give his respect but there was no fear as tho Goku become his equal and not his superior, in the end Gogeta has to much power to lose his skills are enough to compete with any GoDs and just like Jiren didn’t need UI to match Goku so doesn’t Gogeta need to beat Beerus who’s only chance is if in fact he has mastered UI and keeps everyone in the dark for sports as he usually does when he fights given how strong he is. His power remained mostly undefined throughout Super other than being much stronger than SSB. Beerus power level at 100% is around 3 billion. Gogeta vs Beerus Power Levels - Dragon Ball Super - YouTube amrite? Beerus playing around with him is reminiscent of 50% Frieza playing around with Namek-Saga Goku which was a power level difference of only ~20x. So yeah, good list! Lack of evidence. Super Saiyan God increases the power by x700. so threats are feats now? Stomp. IF Beerus and Gogeta ever fights Beerus will still win since he's never brought out his true power in a match. SSJ Broly isn't even stronger than SSJ Gogeta, who isn't that much stronger than 50x SSB Goku (Base Gogeta being around SSB Goku's level) which is nothing to ToP Omen Goku and Jiren. Gogeta and Broly hasn't even shown anything that's close to what Jiren was capable of during the Tournament of Power. And Belmod never got injured by Liqeueur's attacks and at the end, Belmod was the only God of Destruction that never got injured, despite the fact that he was attacked multiple times... Belmod even confirms that "Jiren is a being that never loses, no matter who he's up against"For a someone that a God of Destruction cannot defeat means that the other individual is more powerful than the Gods. Omega was able to regenerate after a Big Bang Kamehameha from a massively stronger SSJ4 Gogeta so at equal power levels Omega should be able to regenerate from what Beerus has to throw at him. The fact he took years to build that much energy shows OS himself is actually even weaker than that, so beating him isn't really much of an achievement here. Goku Super Saiyan Blue/Kaioken forced Hit out of his dimensions twice. Read Gogeta vs Beerus from the story Dragon Ball Xeno: Part one by Silenttoast132 with 344 reads. Whether stronger or not Broly is hovering around that Area and Gogeta stomped him. And questioned "How a mortal can release this much Ki?". So we can say that Goku is the least reliable power scaler in Dragon Ball (DB) franchise. A common debate. SSJB Gogeta roflstomped a Beerus level fighter. Gogeta, one of Dragon Ball's strongest, is the Metamoran fusion of Goku and Vegeta that was introduced to us canonically during Dragon Ball Super: Broly.Being a fusion, this form increases their power level tremendously, as seen in the movie, where they … And his statement was solely basing it off of the Beerus in [God of Destruction arc]. When Jiren was heavily supressed, Whis states that 'His power enters the domain of the God of Destruction, or even surpassed it'. He thrashed Goku Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken X20 and tanked in hits from Goku Kaioken Blue and Vegeta Blue Evolution whilst still surpressed. I never claimed Broly was stronger than Beerus. It was heavily implied that in both manga and anime that Belmod is stronger than Beerus. Please OP, this is so one sided. And Jiren is the only being next to Goku Ultra Instinct that's shown to be able to can fight on par with Beerus' level. Because Super Saiyen God or ssg goku was 70% of beerus. Not the same as straight up busting a universe. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Although, there were statements outside the show saying Broly was stronger than a God of Destruction. What is Beerus's level? I just wanna rub it in the faces of people in here who can't tell a narrative device when they see one. Gogeta and UI Goku both bodied someone, one stated to be > beerus, the other => beerus. But Beerus isnt even sweating Vegeta, which causes him to use the Final Flash on Beerus in which he uses his left arm to flick the attack like nothing. Just think back to Trunks cleaving Fused Zamasu in half. Perhaps Gogeta could damage him, but I just think that he's above him. They all show that something is possible. Gogeta 100x BBK > Gogeta SS4 (dozens of times stronger than an SS4) > SS4 (>= SS vegito) > SS vegito > Buuhan (near-universal). Meaning he is much stronger than he was before. beerus locks at universal. Super never stated how many %% Beerus was using, so he could he using 20% - 30% as an incredibly rough estimate. If Broly was on Beerus'level, you would think the least he can do is gravely injure Frieza? I … Goku vs BeerusThanks For WatchingIn this video, I will be diving in on my personal very own personal power levels for DBZ, DBS, DBGT, DBH. Never claimed otherwise. If the two brothers were serious then they would've actually released more of their Ki's. Frieza was literally there for 1 hour fighting Broly and not only was he able to have a few bruises and injury, but he was CONSCIOUS and he WAS IN HIS GOLDEN FORM! !AND HIS TRANSFORMING INTO IT WITHOUT BEING FUSED IN THEIR SUPER SAIYAN 4 STATE. @mainjp: You still haven't shown any feats nor evidence saying that Gogeta is stronger.Jiren still had better feats than Gogeta and Broly's fight. I never said he did. In Super, it's never stated which percentage Beerus actually used so it's difficult to judge. and it better not be ''my opinion''. SS4 doesn't compare to SSB and above because it simply never got the feats. It all depends on who the authors like more, and its been like this for quite a while now. Jiren heavily surpressed scared Beerus, to the point that he was sweating and was nearly in despair. He's also had the training of Whis, and Angel and the most powerful being in Universe 6 (I think it's 6, maybe 7). @phantasial: Stop it, go back to wanking Naruto. Unlikely and probably both show something is possible, but the latter connotes that it's more likely than the former. He didn't have to be, he and Whis were right there and free to stop him if need be. That wasn't base Goku. This isn't like the T.O.P. All you doing is giving implications and marketing hype from the movie's trailers and announcements. Gogeta via having an awesome design, beyond anything seen in Super. You did, and still haven't provided any evidence. Now if by multiplying 10 by 30 mill = 10% then multiplying 100 = 100%. Did the authors make Trunks overpowered for no particular reason other than fanservice? If Jiren beats the team, then Beerus gets erased. And Beerus has never shown his full strength, in the Super anime+manga, it's never stated that which percentage of power Beerus used.If Broly was such a threat to Beerus' position as a God, then why didn't he intervene, nor ever did Whis as well.Whis was merely playing aroud with Broly. I can see what you were going for, beerus and goku weren't busting the universe either, they were causing magical waves that didn't bust the universe either. Not to mention he wasn’t busting the universe, he was merely ripping through the barriers to parallel dimensions until the universe collapsed. spamming is not gonna change that. There's nothing to shake in a void. So,Gogeta goes 100% and again,wins with even more scratches.Finally, the Omniking.I say the Omniking is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta. there is no scaling that puts him above that. @karkus: I never said Beerus stomps Broly. B). there was no mention of a ''mortal'' part, universe only. @thelostshinobi: Even if he can damage Goku, which I doubt, there is no way he is beating Goku in 15 minutes. In Tournament of Power, Whis personally said that: "His powers has reached the domains of a God of Destruction or potentially has even surpassed it" when Jiren only released a bit of his Ki or that he was supressed heavily. @deathwingterminatort1000: Please tell me how SSJ4 Gogeta does not stand up to SSB Goku, @deathwingterminatort1000: yea ik lol I was just fucking around with that post lmao. Personally,I think SSJ4 Gogeta would be stronger than Beerus and Whis.This is how I think the fights would go:It would take Beerus a while to go 100% because he hasn't went that in a long time so,SSJ4 Gogeta would probably toy with Beerus until he goes 100%.Once Beerus does reach his max power,I think SSJ4 Gogeta would still play around with him.I think Beerus is about 40% SSJ4 Gogeta.So,SSJ4 Gogeta goes 75%,toys around with Beerus,then knocks him out.Now,Whis. There's no proof to suggest that Gogeta is even on Beerus' level.Judging by the movie.Gogeta hasn't shown anything in terms of feat wise that's even comparable to Jiren. Not bad at all! Judging by what we see in the movie Gogeta Blue hasn't shown anything that's comparable to Jiren in Tournament of Power. @karkus: Might and Probably are the same? In the manga he was the only one who never got injured and in the anime he has beaten Beerus in arm wrestling challenge. The Super never stated how much power Beerus even used when fighting Goku God form.The movie said close to 70%, but clearly he was bluffing, but that statement is full of crap anyway, since when Super anime came out, it retconned that entire statement.The only mortal beings capable of beating Beerus are Goku Mastered UI and Jiren and also his limit breaker form. That's an amazing power! Manga Beerus knows Ultra Instinct (Omen), and judging how full powered Broly couldn't even touch a casual Whis. this scaling are based off the official statements. I'd be sweating too. Thx for watching Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_.attila._145/ Blue is an absolute mismatch tho... @chasekilleen: It was said by the director Frieza had shown growth from the ToP to Broly movie. Clearly SSJ4 Gogeta is well worth Beerus' acknowledgement. They never said MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus, https://twitter.com/KenXyro/status/1026341411283763202. He acknowledged Jiren was far from full power, so it's more likely he was referring to what he thought his full power was. SSJ Broly was also the one who fought Golden Frieza, not LSSJ Broly, who was compared to Beerus. I would put SSJ4 Gogeta at 100%, 10% Omniking!So,he just goes full power and thrashes SSJ4 Gogeta. Beerus in the manga pretty much bested the entire other Gods of Destruction and also without trying whatsoever one hit KO'ED Vegeta in his Mastered Super Saiyan Blue form, a form that's on par with Vegito Blue and he took Vegeta out in one shot, that's when he was serious, to teach Vegeta a lesson to not be cocky. Goku base and Beerus had the potential to destroy the entire universe just by colliding their fists and God form the impact of their fists destroyed solar systems. Hope this helped. @chasekilleen: in the manga Beerus was holding his oun against 11 GoDs Belmod including, as well being the last GoD standing alongside quitela who’s statement proves this 2 are the strongest GoDs saying he figure both of them will be the last standing, while elmod was smiling on the ground it doesn’t mean his stronger than Beerus it’s only mean he rather not put himself in a hard fight for no good reason while Beerus and quitela had a score to settle and are the strongest GoDs, also in the manga it was quitela who beat Beerus in Arm wrestling not Belmod and even if you want to argue it’s Belmod in the anime it doesn’t mean he will beat him in a straight fight it’s only Means he’s slightly stronger, Beerus has better feats/statements and implication to be the strongest GoD. Provide me with evidence or don't claim otherwise. beerus via feats locks at universal. still nothing. @mainjp: When Broly attacked Frieza in his Golden form for an hour, not only Frieza didn't sustain any life threatening injuries, but Frieza was still in his Golden form.Toppo a God of Destruction in training, theorectically the weakest God of Destruction, absolutely thrashed Frieza without trying whatsoever and Jiren knocked Frieza out cold in one shot.Gogeta smashing dimensions is nothing new since Super Buu nearly succeded in doing that whilst Gohan was absorbed.That's not impressive at all... Jiren's 'hint of his true power' made Goku revert back to his base form, because he realized how powerful he truly was and Vegeta said that Jiren's Ki was the 'heaviest ki I have ever felt'. 30,000,000 x 100 = 3 billion. I don’t think it’d be easy, but this one would go to Broly and Jiren. They aren't. "How can a mortal release this much Ki"? Might means maybe, while probably means most likely. There's no proof to even suggest that Broly was on Beerus' level, not even close. Goku said that Beerus while sleeping is using his unretstrained power or that in the [Majin Buu arc] he said that he could take out Kid Buu, but his body gave up on him and during the entire fight Kid Buu and Goku SSJ3 was on par with each other. Powers and Stats. In Tournament of Power, Whis personally said that: "His powers has reached the domains of a God of Destruction or potentially has even surpassed it" when Jiren only released a bit of his Ki or that he was supressed heavily. you claim it's dumb despite seeing inferior feats...so, feats > scaling. In my honest opinion it's Beerus. I don't want any vague BS or excuses or any other useless comparisons from a stupid gag episode. Keep in mind this is Vegeta post Battle of Gods, Golden Frieza, Universe 6 vs 7, Black Goku/Future Trunks arc. Does that make a lick of sense scaling wise? your argument is headcanon, the ''multiverse'' wasn't a thing, but the fact that the otherworld is a part of the universe was emphasised. what's an Infinite of nothing? The only time he was serious was when he fought with Goku God form. proof? The 'might' indicates that Broly is 'around' Beerus' level. @mainjp: There's no proof whatsoever to indicate Gogeta stronger than Beerus. Quotes? Makes sense. Even if you disagree the basis of your argument is still dumb, cause both Gogeta and Beerus scale far above Buuhan. As we all know Whis is a teacher/mentor of a God of Destruction, so he knows pretty much every nooks and cranny regarding the powers of a God of Destruction. filler is canon to GT so i'm not sure why it's brought up. Please OP, this is so one sided. In the movie, just the standard Super Saiyan power-up was enough for him to beat the crap out of Frieza for about an hour and it took the combined might of both Vegeta and Goku (literally) to finally take the big beast down. SS4 gogeta (dozens of times stronger)> SS4 goku (probably stronger) >= SS vegito > Buuhan (universal). SSJG was already at the very least hundreds of times more powerful than SSJ3 Goku, and on top of that, SSJB is significantly more powerful than SSJG. Gogeta is the Metamoran Fusion of Goku and Vegeta, formed to defeat Broly. The only reason they don't is because they can counter their own shockwaves when they strike. And Beerus scales of off jiren and goku who shook infinite world of void, so yes he scales higher. THE POWER GOGETA IS GIVING OFF IS BEYOND REAL!! Not the same as straight up busting a universe. In other words, anyone with twice the energy (power) of Beerus would be 2-C. @Hizack123 Goku outright states that Broly is 'probably' stronger than Beerus. ?Do you not understand synonyms?? beerus is only Universal via feats. And if they did I dare you to quote me from the movie/Toriyama or Toyotaro/any legitimate proof from a credible source to say that Broly and Gogeta was on Beerus' level. Beerus one shots all of GT. I dare you to find me a quote from Toriyama and Toyotaro, or anything from a legitimate source. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball ... no one on this list is on his level, meaning if Gogeta doesn't take down Broly straight away, Broly will simply adapt and get too strong. Transformations do not matter, feats do not matter. Really, nothing to compare to Jiren and Toppo's feats, nor Mastered UI and C). ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. @phantasial: Dumb comparison considering Broly and Jiren both trashed stronger versions of SSG Goku, and while yes scaling is more important in cases like that DBS and GT don’t scale to each other which is why feats are more important. The Z movie is irrelevant since after Super came out. Find me proof, all you doing is delaying the inevitable. Heavily suppressed Jiren being stronger than Beerus doesn't fit with other statements such as that MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus. That was the ever-expanding, strength gaining shockwaves, not the impact. While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. @phantasial: Threatning to bust the universe multiple times casually>>>>deflecting a ball that would gradually errode the universe. Bloodmatch. He only said "probably" and "might" when he was comparing it Beerus. It only said "Mightiest vs. Mightiest" and "Strongest enemy they ever faced.". When the match comes to an end, it is revealed that Belmod faked being knocked down and had taken no damage over the course of the match. In the anime Whis implied and in the manga Belmod was the only God of Destruction to dominate several other Gods of destruction. Beerus, Super powerscaling is greater than GT's one. ... Was it even stated Brolys power continuously raises? Not with collision. Never has Whis nor anyone else stated that Broly nor Gogeta was more powerful. It's pretty much been implied both in the manga and anime that Belmod is more powerful than Beerus. Articles from a legitimate source? He has seen Beerus going all out in the manga (GoDs battle royale) and in the anime (Beerus vs Champa). The same can't be said while fighting Broly. Jiren was way stronger than the team of U7 at the time. He literally says that his power is on a God of Destruction or surpassed it. The real debate should be SSJB vegito vs Beerus. Goku's power scaling was never 100% correct. @deathwingterminatort1000: Gogeta only lasts 15 minutes max in Ssj4 so he doesn't even have the standard 30 minutes. Jiren shook the entire world of void just releasing a tiny bit of his Ki. He was shaking the stadium, that's the only thing there is to shake. That is a much better debate. I know that Vegito wasn’t able to win, especially due to the time limit. @karkus: Go to 3:20...He literally says that his power is on a God of Destruction or surpassed it. Not to mention he wasn’t busting the universe, he was merely ripping through the barriers to parallel dimensions until the universe collapsed. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball - General This is ... a Spirit Bomb that was stated later in the Tournament to rival SS2 Kefla in raw power, ... since we don't know what level of UI Beerus has access to. Then Gogeta f*#ed around on Broly, so that puts Gogeta around Beerus level aswell, maybe above it, but its safest to say that he's 'around' that level. That says Gogeta or Broly is on Beerus'level. Who wins? Even if he did, this is a battle between him and Beerus, he's not gonna let him leave and find the Supreme Kai. Only way you can argue Gogeta at universal is if you scale off Buuhan based on a filler scene, meanwhile Beerus would have destroyed the Macrocasm(mortal universe and otherworld) which is more impressive than what Gogeta has done by feats. Beerus power level at 1 percent is 30 million. Gogeta effortlessly stomped a Beerus level enemy, he annihilates here since Beerus doesn’t get ridiculously stronger through the course of a fight like Broly does. His single best attack that took years upon years of stored energy, was only going to destroy the universe by polluting it with negative ki and rotting it over time. 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